Me to fairtax guy: A tax is a tax. It would still fund murder & violence. Call me when there's a bill to abolish all taxes. http://is.gd/1wd3I
Some conservative guy to me: You want do away with all taxes! How do you propose we fund the nessasary functions of Government? Not all taxes are bad!
Me to conservative guy: Let the market (the true market) take over. Take defense: "defense is a service like any other service" http://is.gd/1webN & http://praxeology.net/GM-PS.htm
Conservative guy to me: If you subscribe to this train of thought, you sir are delusional to believe we can trust the free market to our security anymore than we trust the free market with the running of our prisons. I believe in free markets but unrestricted they are no better than street gangs or drug cartels. Is this the environment in which you wish to live?
(Note the abject fear of a truly free market. Gangs, drug cartels. With out the government who would protect us from the boogie man.)
Me to conservative guy: the drug cartels are a symptom of gov. It's even been stated by cartel leaders the War on Drugs has been good for business. Remove gov from the equation and the drug cartels have no more business. Additionally we already have private security. Remove gov monopoly and the market would fill the void. Gangs? Hire a security firm. With out gov. Your home ins policy would probably include a police security company.
Conservative guy to me: Your wish is anarchy not freedom.
(Exactly!! but of course he's working from what he's been taught; anarchy is chaos)
Me to conservative guy: Anarchy is freedom, not chaos as we've all been so kindly taught in government education institutions.
Conservative guy to me: If you believe this to be true then I will have nothing more to do with this discusion. Good Bye.
(In other words, when presented with ideas that run counter to what you've been taught, run away screaming with your fingers in your ears. I guess the old cliche holds: You can't lead a horse to water....)
So what started as a "debate" on Fair Tax turned into me wanting chaos. These little conversations just further prove that conservatives aren't any more freedom loving than liberals; they both hide behind government afraid to face a truly free world. At least with liberals, one knows what to expect. Conservatives live in a state of cognitive dissonance and fear screaming about freedom and liberty yet are too afraid to leave the shackles of government behind.
And to think, all I wanted to do was to quote Murray Rothbard: "There can be no such thing as 'fairness in taxation.' Taxation is nothing but organized theft, and the concept of a 'fair tax' is therefore every bit as absurd as that of 'fair theft.'"